Thursday, March 29, 2012

Tram hours

Can someone please tell me how late Tram D runs? We will be arriving by train at 23:35 and would like to take the Tram to the Grand Hotel.





Thank you,



Leslie




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Last trams from Südbahnhof at 23:35 and 23:52. Obviously you%26#39;d only get the first one if the train was very early. After that you could walk the short distance to Südtirolerplatz and get the underground to Karlsplatz until 00:23 though Karlsplatz station is not the nicest to use.





With much luggage consider a taxi which wouldn%26#39;t be very expensive for that journey.




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It should not be a problem to catch the last tram (even with a slight delay). In case you miss it, you can still opt for a taxi. Alternatively, you could, if you arrive from the South, leave the train at Wien-Meidling Station and take subway U6 (2 stops in direction: %26quot;Floridsdorf%26quot; to %26quot;Längenfeldgasse%26quot;) and U4 to Karlsplatz (direction: %26quot;Heiligenstadt%26quot;). The transfer at Längenfeldgasse is particularly easy as your U4 train arrives just on the other side of the platform.

Rail Question

We have booked a trip to Prague, Vienna and Budapest this November. We have not yet purchased train tickets to and from each destination. We%26#39;re looking into buying train tickets in advance. Is this a good idea? On RailEurope.com, the tickets from Prague to Vienna are $202 for 2 people. From Vienna to Budapest they are $128 for 2 people. After reading the forums for each city we are visiting, it sounds like tickets can be purchased a lot cheaper in person the day of train travel. Is this true? Do trains ever sell out?





What do you recommend I do?




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There are many experts on this board that will give you more information. I have recently researched Prague to Vienna and if you book at :





https:/…search_cd-obb.aspx





you can get a ticket for under 500 CZK (about 25 USD) and can select your seat online.





You can also find a Special Price at:





http://www.oebb.at/en/index.jsp





but it%26#39;s 29 Euro (about $42)





I think you will need to use OEBB for your Vienna to Budapest ticket.





I would stay away from the Rail Europe site for these trips because they are just third parties and will charge you a lot more.




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From Prague to Vienna it is €19 each https:/…



From Vienna to Budapest it is also from €19 oebb.at/pv/…index.jsp





These special prices are only available on-line from the above sites, but you can always pay more and buy them on the day. Trains do not sell out, just the special offers, so buy them now to ensure that you have the best price. Even if you buy on the day it will be way cheaper than Rail Europe which you should stay WELL clear of, for obvious reasons. The full price for both tickets on the day would cost about €35 each - no need to reserve.




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Excellent. I had seen these sites before but did not know how to find them again! Thank you!




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Put this in your bookmarks http://europetrainsguide.com/ :)




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There is no need to buy train tickets ahead of time. If you are the nervous type buy the tickles for the next leg of your trip as soon as you arrive at your first destination. One ticket Vienna-Budapest cost 29euros on the RailJet which is an awesome train. No need to pay extra for 1st class or reserve seats; just show up 20min before the departure time and look for a seat that is not reserved. Above the seat there is a small LCD screen that displays if the seat is reserved or not.




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This is a discussion %26quot;flexibility versus low fares%26quot;. Basically, it is not necessary to purchase tickets in advance as it would be against the meaning of public transportation in Europe. You can always buy your ticket 10 minutes prior to departure (with a very few exceptions) and the regular fare then applied should be still cheaper than the one displayed by one of the resellers like raileurope.com. If you want a bargain and accept %26quot;restrictions%26quot;, then you should become active in advance in order to get one of the highly discounted tickets.

Where to ship packages to US from Vienna

We need to find a place where our daughter can ship belongings home to NY from Vienna. Would anyone know where there is the equivalent of a UPS store?




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The firm



Mail Boxes Etc. has many locations in Vienna. These can be found throughout the city and she just needs to look for the one nearest to her.





I believe they have an arrangement with UPS and also have many packing materials.




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There are many post offices throughout Vienna which could handle your packages. As far as I know Austrian post cooperates with DPD. Whether their prices are good is another story.....

Innsbruck December help

My boyfriend and I r visiting innsbruck from 19-23 December, we want to stay in a nice hotel in the city centre to make the most of the city and chistmas Market. However we would love to see some snow and do some snow activities that aren%26#39;t skiing. Are there easy opportunities to do other activities such as tobboganning, can anyone reccomend where we would need to go to achieve this goal? Also will it be snowing in the city self or just cold?! Many thanks




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It is impossible to predict the weather that far in advance. Innsbruck itself is not a place getting huge amounts of snow. Moreover there is a phenomenon called %26quot;foehn%26quot; sometimes bringing relatively warm air from the South down to the valley making Innsbruck warmer than other parts of the country. As the mountains around Innsbruck are pretty high it should not be a big deal to get in touch with snow. You can go up to %26quot;Hafelekar%26quot; (Nordpark/Nordkettenbahn), %26quot;Patscherkofel%26quot; Mountain Southeast of the city or to the %26quot;Stubaital Valley%26quot;. For snow-related info please visit www.innsbruck.info




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Tobagganing is some what subject to weather but after the 20th you should find good times very near to Innsbruck.





www.skischule-innsbruck.com





www.axams.at







Great thrill is a bobsled run on the big course by Igls just outside of Innsbruck. Easy reached by public transport .





Ice skating available by the Olympic stadium





Nearby Seefeld - 25 minutes north and high above Innsbruck-



offers iceskating on nice rinks - mountain walks - cross country skiing.







You will most probably see snow on the mountains above Innsbruck - probably little if any in the city.





hores drawn sleigh rides.



www.seefeld.at





www.olympiaworld.at

Can you travel from Vienna to Budapest on the Danube in Oct?

We are trying to find a company that operates a boat trip from Vienna to Budapest at the end of October. All seem to end their services at the end of September. Does anyone know of a company that continues later in the year?




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Due to lack of demand, I believe ,as you say ,these trips end in September.



An alternative is the Twin City Liner to Bratislava - then a train to Budapest.





www.twincityliner.com





check their travel dates as service is limited.




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Is there any specific reason for that? The landscape is not the most breathtaking and it would be much slower than by train. From Vienna to Budapest it only takes between 2h45min and 3h00min to reach Budapest.




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If the weather is cold and/or rainy then it is a horrible journey along the river - you will wish you stayed at home :)

Innsbruck alternative airports

Hello





I need to travel to Innsbruck from London on 8th Nov, coming back 21st Nov. Unfortunately they are no direct flights from London - only from December with easyjet or BA. AUA via Vienna is already quite expensive.



What would be the best alternative to fly to? Munich, Salzburg, Milan, Zurich? What connection from the alternative airport would be best?



Many thanks





Florence




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Munich and Salzburg would be the best alternative, Linz and Zurich would also be feasible. If contemplating another airport of arrival, don%26#39;t forget to add the transportation costs which can be great. Sometimes it is better to pay a little bit more and get a (direct or indirect) flight to the city you wanna go to instead of initially saving money by flying elsewhere and then realizing the (severe) additional expenditures.




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if you do not mind Ryanair - you can find cheap fare to salzburg - as low as 62 euro - R/T



train salzbzrg _ Innsbruck one way 38 euro.





BA has flights also from about 120 euro to salzburg I believe.





www.oebb.at





look on



www.billigflieger.de





much depends on which London airport departure





You can alos try



Air Berlin to Munich





needs a transfer but not expensive



travel time from Salzburg or Munich about 2 hours or just a little more.





Munich or salzburg best choices for both lower fares and shorter cheaper transfers.




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Dear Mikey and Vertical,



thanks so much for your tips! I%26#39;ll let you know what schnaeppchen i found ;-)

Salzburg at Christmas

Gee I am a little worried now with the restaurants being booked as I am going to be there for a few days over Christmas with my adult daughter. We have not worked out where to have Xmas Dinner either. Can anyone help. Thanks.




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You should be able to find a good selection of possible places , especially planning now.



I would contact the Salzburg Tourist office. They should be able to supply you wirth a list of open restaurants.



If the 2009 list is not yet available ask for the list of last year- probably few changes.





Be prepared for a fixed menu on Christmas Eve.





Another alternative is to contact your hotel- they usually have restaurant service for guests or know on places near by.



Note that the major celebration of this Holiday is held here on Christmas Eve with many family having a traditional gathering together for a gala dinner and exchange of small gifts.




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We had Christmas dinner at St. Peter’s Stiftskellar 3 years ago and it was wonderful. The next day we found that many stores and restaurants were closed also but we made reservations at Weisses Kruez near the fortress. Since it is also a guesthouse, they were open and the food was very good. They might also be open Christmas Day.

Ischgl with kids - what about non-ski options

I was thinking about going to Ischgl with my family (2 Adults %26amp; 2 kids 8 %26amp; 9) in Feb. I want a resort that offers a good selection of non-ski options as well as good skiing. I can%26#39;t seem to find what Ischgl has in regards to non-ski options. I was thinking about things like: swimming, tobaggoning, dog sledding, ice skating etc.





Can you recommend any place that offers this? We have advanced and beg/int skiers.





Thanks




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I forgot to add that I will want a good english speaking ski school as well.




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Many activiteis available- no nned to look further



ice skating rink with rental skates available-





winter hiking





tobaggans- rodelbahn nights- a long run available taking the Bahn up and a long run back 5-6 kilometers





night ski demos.





sleigh rides





indoor tennis ,bowling





many hotels with pools.





good ski schools for kids with a quick way to make friends and activities.





look to the Ischgl website





www.ischgl.com



look under winter activities for more info.




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No trouble with english speaking instructors at all levels - you will find could english speaking staff not just in ski schools but most other places as well- language is no problem





Several museums in town also





including a small farm museum in the little place of Mathon a short distance away .




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Sounds like a good place to be. One other option I am exploring is going to the Ski Amadé area and using Seigi Tours. Would you recommend one area over another?





Thanks for the help.




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Does Seigi tours use the area of Alpendorf- the Ski Amade covers a wide area of various resorts. Some better than others in my opinion.



Look for the valley and summit altitudes- some like Alpendorf are relatively low and less skiable terrain than for example Ischgl.



While the tour to this area could probably be less expensive, Ischgl offers a superior experience in my personal opinon.




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I have been taking my kids to ischgl (every christmas, Feb half term and Easter) for the last 8 years (they were 7 and 9 then) and it is their favourite resort. There are activities as previously mentioned and when the kids were younger we used to use the %26quot;Silvretta Centre%26quot; (Swimming pool/Spa/Sauna bowling alley). You can add discounted entry to your skipass





http://www.silvretta.at/uk_win/index1.php





Kids being Kids they also manage to find area%26#39;s in the village where they can go %26quot;bum boarding%26quot; (the dustbin lid shaped sledges). Available at many shops for less than €10.





There is also the %26quot;Wildpark%26quot; on the way to Galtür





wildpark.ischgl.at/en/Kontakt/kontakt.html





Its just past Mathon in direction Galtür. There is a good bus service from Ischgl (Silvretta or Pardatschbahn) to Galtür throughout the day




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One thing I didn%26#39;t mention was price. It looks like since this is a big name resort, you will be paying big prices as well. Is this true even if I get an apartment and make my own meals?





Is there a good area/place to stay with a family? Preferably away from the noise of the night life but still relatively convient?





Thanks




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Your right about price. It is more expensive than some other resorts but St Anton and Soelden are as equally expensive. I stay normally near the end of the valley run for the Silvrettabahn (C5, C6, D5 ortsplan below).





ischgl.com/downloads/sommer/ortsplan_06.pdf





This area isn%26#39;t really the latenight %26quot;party area%26quot; although popular for the apres ski. I have had a room right on the pedestrian road %26quot;Dorfstrasse%26quot; and heard the %26quot;drunks%26quot; once in the early hours but in the back of the Hotel nothing and there is a lot of accommodation/hotels/appartments just on the sidestreets.





I have stayed in the Hotel garni Litzner (G2) (my kids when they were 9 %26amp; 11) which was quiet. Little bit of a walk to the lift and you have to cross the road. They now have Appartments.



I%26#39;ve stayed in the Hotel Almhof next to the Silvrettabahn which is a bit more expensive but again quiet. There are a number of clubs near the Hotel Elisabeth, Madeline, Pardatschbahn area but I have never stayed there. I have stayed in both Kappl and Galtuer and then driven to Ischgl or took the skibus but have vowed never to do it again and %26quot;pay the money%26quot;. The skibus service from Kappl/See is IMO poor. Many people stay in Mathon or the village of Versahl. Ischgl-Mathon-Galtuer bus service is far better than the other direction towards Landeck. Versahl is on the village bus and is actually walkable.





I have considered staying at:





http://www.alpenstern.at/





in Versahl.





In recent year more properties have been built in the Brand/Kichali area (other side of the river). About 500m to nearest lift.





Also if you want an apartment then %26quot;sleeps 4%26quot; tends to be 1 bedroom plus sofabed and you will pay a premium in Ischlg itself but as an example I found this in Versahl which has two double bedrooms





http://albarella.ischgl.at/




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this is an example of a new building in the Brand area - significant difference in price to above





http://www.jungmann-ischgl.at/





You%26#39;ll unfortunately have to trudge through the Holiday homes list on the Ischgl.com web site. You can certainly get better value for money in the villages along with newer more modern appartments




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Thank you I will check those out. What has been your experience with GOOD English speaking ski instructors for the kids? Do they have them? Do you need to book them in advance?





I have also been looking at Fiss/Serfaus and really liked it but it doesn%26#39;t look like they have GOOD English speaking instructors which will be a big problem.





thanks

Salzburg to Hallstatt

Hi



Me and my wife will be travelling to Hallstatt from Salzburg end of this month. The earliest regional transportation I found at OEBB site involves 2 bus links.



Can anyone suggest if it would be good idea to take bus or should I only prefer trains? I would have only few hours to spend in Hallstatt before I continue my journey to Vienna.





Also, any sugesstions for travel from Hallstatt to Vienna would be very helpful.



Options that I have found so far is to either take fast train (4 to 4 1/2 hours) or go with regional trains using Einfach-Raus-Ticket for 28 Euros for both me and my wife(6-7Hours). Tough 2nd option is much cheaper but I am not sure if it would be good idea to travel till Vienna on regional trains. Any sugessions?





Thanks




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EuropeCrazy in January I did the trip From Vienna to Hallstatt along the southern route via the Semmering Railway as I wanted to get a variety of scenery. For me it was well worth the trip and I enjoyed the views greatle. Travel did involve some regional trains and took 2 changes from memory- but it was well worth it. It did not take that much longer than travelling Vienna Hallstatt via the northern route.





I then went north from Hallstatt to Bad Ischl and onto Salzburg. If I had come to Hallstatt from the north I would have been seeing the same scenery twice. The jourey by train from where the main line meets the Salzburg/ Vienna Line is no where near as spectacular IMO as the southern route. You do get to see bits along the Danube near Melk.




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From Salzburg take the bus #150 to Bad Ischl where transfer to Hallstatt-bound trains (coming from Attnang-Pucheim) is available. It is also possible to catch this Hallstatt-bound train at its origination point %26quot;Attang-Pucheim%26quot; which is North of Hallstatt. All IC trains running between Salzburg and Linz (as well as Vienna) stop in Attang-Pucheim. If you are confused now, then use GOOGLE Maps or GOOGLE Earth to locate the places mentioned. Then it should be clear. If you go to Hallstatt on a Saturday or Sunday, then you could use the Einfach-Raus-Ticket (ERT) for most parts. Going to Vienna on regional trains is frankly a bad idea but you can use the ERT to Attnang-Puchheim where the regional train meets the IC train taking you to Vienna. The ERT wasn%26#39;t created to promote long-distance traveling.




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Yes, a Einfach-Raus-Ticket is only valid for travel on regional trains - not buses.





oebb.at/pv/…index.jsp





The normal one-way 2nd class train fare from Salzburg to Hallstatt via Attnang-Puchheim is 22,50 € each so using a Einfach-Raus-Ticket would certainly save money for your travel to Hallstatt.





RegionalExpress train REX departs Salzburg Hbf at 08:33 and arrives in Attnang-Puchheim at 09:45. REX train 3412 departs Attnang-Puchheim at 10:13 and arrives at the Hallstatt train stop at 11:27.





The Hallstatt train stop is literally just that, a stop with a little leanto beside the tracks. From there you walk about 50 yards down an asphalt path to the ship landing for the short boat ride across the lake to town. The one-way fare is 2,20 € paid to the Captain.





hallstattschifffahrt.at/405be35f67235dabfcc8…





Ships traveling across the lake are timed to meet arriving and departing trains.





For you travel onward to Wien [Vienna], I would buy a separate ticket. The return train from Hallstatt to Attnang-Puchheim is a 2nd class only regional train.





Train R 3423 departs the train stop at 14:32 and arrives at Attnang-Puchheim at 15:47, connecting with EuroCity train 645 departing Attnang-Puchheim at 15:57 and arriving at Wien Westbahnhof at 18:18.





The standard 2nd class fare from Hallstatt to Vienna is 47,50 €.





The train ride scenery between Attnang-Puchheim and Hallstatt is very nice.




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If being in possession of the Einfach-Raus-Ticket when reaching Hallstatt, you don%26#39;t need to buy a regular train ticket from Hallstatt to Vienna as the ERT is also valid on the regional train back to Attnang-Puchheim. A regular ticket is necessary for Attnang-Pucheim to Vienna.




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I%26#39;m planning a trip from Salzburg to Vienna either from 12 or 13 Nov this year.





I came across this forum where there are train route to Hallsttat, and would like to stop over this small town for a few hours before continue my train ride to Vienna.





Questions:



1) Is November a good time to visit this place?





2) Since I%26#39;ll carry my big trolly bags along, is there any lockers in the train station that I can check-in my bag while I explore on the area?





3) I%26#39;m getting a Euro pass, does that allow me to train on the Einfach-Raus rail?




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Questions:





1) Is November a good time to visit this place?





Well, it is off-season, so few tourists but if the weather is nice, go there.





2) Since I%26#39;ll carry my big trolly bags along, is there any lockers in the train station that I can check-in my bag while I explore on the area?





The train stop of Hallstatt is just one track, a platform and a small waiting-building, not even a person is working there (tickets from the conductor on the train).





I contacted the Hallstatt Tourism Board some time ago and they answered that is is possible to leave luggage in their office (in the village, small Congress Center) during their opening hours. In the off-season they open Mon-Fri 9-12 and 14-17, Sat/Sun closed. Maybe you send them an e-mail and ask them if it is possible to store luggage:





http://www.hallstatt.net/tourismus-info/





3) I%26#39;m getting a Euro pass, does that allow me to train on the Einfach-Raus rail?





The pass allows travel on all trains in Austria except of the very few private run local railways (which you won%26#39;t use anyway).

Airport transfer

Hi,





My wife and I are flying into Vienna in early December (midweek)and need to arrange transfer to the Hilton Danube hotel (Handelska 269). Can anyone tell us how to use public transit, if we can do that without too many transfers or other problems?





jim bouck




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Quite easy! Take the ordinary airport train to %26quot;Wien-Praterstern%26quot; (~30 min) and then transfer to subway line U2 (direction: Stadion). Alight at %26quot;Krieau%26quot; or %26quot;Stadion%26quot; and walk the rest.





Fare:



3.60 € (regular fare)



1.80 € (if in possession of a validated pass for Vienna)




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For details of the Vienna transport system and the various passes you can buy look here:





tripadvisor.co.uk/Travel-g190454-s303/Vienna…





You can buy the passes and the supplementary €1.80 ticket (to get you to the city boundary) that Mikey mentions at the vending machines at the airport. It%26#39;s probably worth getting a pass to cover the period of your stay as the Hilton Danube is quite a way from the major tourist sights.

Easy transfer from Salzburd to surrounding mountain resort

Hi,



We plan to spend new year vacation in one of the mountains resorts in Austria, around Salzburg. We will be with two kids of 8 and 6.



We are looking for some easy ways for transfer from Salzburg. What are the best options, considering the luggages and the kids? How long it takes, which destination is closer to Salzburg, and about how much is the cost (train, taxi).





Thank you for all suggestions




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Various transfer taxi options make for an easy and effective transfer



depending on destination.





www.andis-taxi.com





www.itaxi-zellamsee.at





while the train is an option with 2 kids, luggage perhaps ski equipment too, using this method with bus too not really convenient.

MV Esmerelda

Has anyone been on the Sheerings vessel MV Esmerelda? Can you tell me what her cabins are like? Many thanks




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Check the age of this vessel- I think it is one of the older and smaller ones on this route.

Flak towers and other WWII trivia

Can anyone tell me about the flak towers that dot Vienna? Also, are there any other vestages of WWII that might be of interest to a WWII history buff?





Jim Bouck




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You won%26#39;t really find %26quot;vestiges%26quot; of WWII in Vienna beside the FLAK towers.



But there is a museum dedicated to militarism (Heeresgeschichtles Museum at Arsenal). In the town of Mödling (or actually close to it in Hinterbrühl) there is a grotto that was used to manufacture aircraft during WWII. Mödling/Hinterbrühl is located South of Vienna and is easily reachable by train. If you are willing to travel farther (out of Vienna) you could go to Mauthausen where a concentration camp is situated. Traveling time there is at least 2h00min.




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For details of the Vienna flak towers look here:





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flak_tower





For the underground armaments factory Mikey mentions look to:





www.seegrotte.at/002_englisch/frameset.htm




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The military Museum -



www.hgm.or.at





this is an interesting place but much more info on the period- 30 Years war through World War 1.



The outdoor area of tanks etc. interesting but this I believe is closed during the period after october for the winter.







Some possibilities -



Stephansdom-





inside some photos of the bombing damage that occured.





On Albertina platz



the War memorial to all victims of wars.



This built on the site of a former building destroyed during raids .



In the basement were 300 + people who died as a result of the bombing and collapse of the building.





Morzinplatz-



Memorials at the site of the former Getapo headqurters this too destroyed during the bombings late in the War.



This the former Hotel metropol.



Memorial on the site



and at Salzgies 6 some exhibits - Hopefully still open at various times.





Some trivia, the flak towers had gun installations all at the same level ( altitude ) to assist in fire control firections.



These are interesting to see- one an aqaurium today.



While not directly war related.



Numerous tours too associated with the movie the Third Man- many sites to see of this film with hotels exisiting today used a headquarters for the 4 powers.





Outside of Vienna - the former war prisoner camp during World war 2 just north of Krems.



No remains today at this site now an airport excepting various signage and memorials.



This camp Stalag 17 B - said to be the factual inspiration for the famous movie Stalig 17.



This is said to contain 50-60000 prisoners from various countries at one time.



Not too far away from the above and just north of the S-5 roadway at Grafenworth - still the concrete remains of the former buildings, hangars used for target practice by planes from the former war airfield nearby.

Skiing at Hinterthal

We have booked a ski holiday to Hinterthal next Feb . Has anyone any advise or views on the resort and area.




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I see your post goes some time without response and I give my limited knowledge.



I believe a new lift is being built this year to improve the skiing.



The relatively small village is between the bigger places of Dienten and Maria Alm.



relatively easier skiing - not extra high terrain - the general area know as the Hochkonig.



Numerous newer apartments and time shares in the area brings some english visitors i think. many families



perhaps some one else has some personal experience




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Hi,





I have not stayed in Hinterthal itself but ski in the Hochkonig area every year as it is part of the Amade pass. The skiing is linked from Muhlbach to Hinterthal on one side and then from Hinterthal to Maria Alm the other way. I think it is some of the most picturesque skiing in the area. The slopes are great for intermediates and a large enough ski area for a week, and also plenty of long easy runs for beginners. It%26#39;s also rarely too busy and there are quite a few huts etc. Definitely recommend the area and it is relatively unknown to Brits.





Take a look at the website at www.hochhonig.at




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many thanks for your info. We booked the holiday because it was much cheaper at half term than many of the well known resorts. Your comments were valuable as this area is a bit of gamble.You make it sound ideal for a family holiday of mixed ability skiers.

Things to do in and around Zell am See

We are going to Zell am See in January for our wedding and have a lot of non-skier guests coming.





Can anyone recommend good things to do in and around Zell am See, either by local transport or by car.





Also, does anyone know if you can hire skidoos in Zell?





Any recommendations for good restaurants/bars aswell?





Thanks




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Have you searched the forum or browsed the Zell am See subforum? Advice on that should be available. I also recommend the tourism website of the Zell am See Region which states a lot of worthwhile things.





http://www.zellamsee-kaprun.com/




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As Zell am See is on the train line, a trip to Salzburg is easy and well worth it.




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Definiterly take the round trip cable car trip to the top of the Schmittenhoehe. On a clear day, great views of the alps all the way to Italy. A nice restaurant at the top.





Lunch, dinner or afternoon tea at the Grand Hotel. Salzburg, as already mentioned. Take a horsedrawn sleigh outing.





Make sure your non-skier friends have sturdy, water resistant boots with good profile soles. The older folks will find a trecking pole or walking stick helpful. Thus equipped , they can %26quot;conquer%26quot; many of the well maintained (i.e. plowed) walks in the valley for invigorating stroll, followed by a coffee with pastry in one of the cafes.




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If it%26#39;s not too late book your stay at the Hotel Tirolerhof (see reviews. Best Hotel in Zell am See). For non-skiers they should visit the Schmittenhöhe by cable car and walk along the ridge to the Sonnkogel (it takes about one hour) chair lift to return to the valley. Along this walk take lunch at the Hochzelleralm restaurant. Good local food with a typical Austrian atmosphere. Run by the 3rd generation. There are restaurants at both ends but these lack that Austrian feel of %26quot;gemutlichkeit%26quot;



Take a train or bus to Mittersill and visit the National Park Museum. Also in Mittersill there is a town museum in the old castle tower.



Visit the city of Salzburg and also the Celtish Museum in Hallain.

Trip Report: Austria (28 Sept - 5 Oct)

Day 1: We arrived early into Vienna airport %26amp; took the train to the city centre %26amp; proceeded to our hotel for check-in. Our first stop was the Schonbrunn Palace, which was easily accessible via the metro. We alighted at Hietzing stop %26amp; walked through the gardens. It was beautiful. The palace was magnificent - my husband %26amp; I enjoyed our Imperial Tour very much. Lunch was a quick affair %26amp; we moved onto our next destination: Naschmarkt. The roads were lined with so many stalls selling vegetables, meat, fruits %26amp; many others. From Naschmarkt, we walked towards St. Stephen%26#39;s Cathedral along the direction of Hotel Sacher. There was so much hype about the chocolate cake that we had to have a slice of it as well. The cafe was full of people %26amp; almost everyone ordered the cake, which was delicious by the way. The walk from the hotel to St. Stephen%26#39;s Cathedral was pretty short. Unfortunately, we arrived late %26amp; the last catacombs tour has ended. So we walked around the cathedral for a while %26amp; took some photos.





Day 2: Our day started early as we took the 0918 train from Westbahnhof to Melk. We arrived at Melk at around 1030 %26amp; went to the Stift Melk Abbey straightaway %26amp; bought tickets for the 1055 tour. The abbey was very crowded. As all the different language tour started at the same time, we somehow got confused %26amp; followed the German tour instead of the English speaking one. Luckily, the kind guide told us to catch up with the tour in front. The tour was alright but what took our breath away was the magnificent view of the town from the abbey. My husband %26amp; I could not stop taking pictures. When the tour ended, we had lunch %26amp; made our way to the Wachau valley cruise (from Melk to Durnstein). We followed the signs but when we reached there, one of the cruise employees signalled for us to leave at the other station which was 15 minutes away as the boat would be sailing from there instead. We had to run for it as the departure time was 1350. Thankfully, we made it in time. The weather was nice %26amp; we had a great time on the boat. We didn%26#39;t even realized we%26#39;ve reached Durnstein as we were relaxing onboard while snapping pictures. Arriving at Durnstein, my first thought was %26quot;What a lovely town!%26quot; After an hour of exploring, we made our way to the train station for our ride to Krems then back to Vienna.





Day 3: We left Vienna for Salzburg in the morning. Upon arriving in the afternoon, we checked in at our hotel %26amp; proceeded to get tickets to Werfen from Salzburg Hbf. We took the bus service from Werfen up to the ticket entrance. It was a 20 minute uphill walk from the entrance to the cable car point, %26amp; another 20 minute walk from the cable car point to the ice caves. We were exhausted by the time we reached the caves. However, the walk was well worth it. The ice caves visit was one of the highlights of our trip. It was simply amazing. We took our time on our way down, taking as many pictures as possible. The view was spectacular. After that, we made our way to the ticket entrance, where the bus was waiting to bring us back to Werfen station where we took the train back to Salzburg.





Day 4: We started our day early again as we wanted to catch the 0815 bus to St. Gilgen. Bus #150 arrive on time %26amp; we reached our destination slightly past 0900. Though it was a foggy day, the view at St. Gilgen was still beautiful. We bought our ferry tickets to St. Wolfgang %26amp; while waiting for the boat, we wandered around the place. The ferry arrived at 1030 %26amp; as usual, it was packed with people. We found a good spot %26amp; started clicking our cameras away once the boat sailed. Luckily, the fog started to clear. My husband %26amp; I enjoyed the boat ride thoroughly. The view just left me speechless. Soon, we arrived at St. Wolfgang. It was a touristy town with plenty of souvenir shops %26amp; cafes. After walking around for an hour, we took Bus #2560 to Bad Ischl %26amp; then the train from Bad Ischl to Hallstatt (our last stop for the day). We were caught by surprise that we need to take a ferry from Hallstatt train station to the town itself. Nonetheless, we paid for the ferry %26amp; arrived at the town. We had lunch at Hallstatt %26amp; walked around before heading back to Salzburg via train.





Day 5: The rain in the morning did not dampen our mood as we headed to Berchtesgaden on Bus #840 at 0815. We alighted at Salzbergwerk to visit the salt mine. The tour was more like a fun theme ride with the slides, train %26amp; funicular. Needless to say, my husband %26amp; I had a great time. It started to rain again when we were waiting for the same bus to Berchtesgaden Bahnhof after the salt mine tour. Bus #841 arrived soon after %26amp; we headed to the Jennerbahn (our next stop). While waiting for the cable car, we walked around %26amp; took some pictures of cows %26amp; goats playing. The backdrop of the mountains was a delight. Unfortunately, we forgot to bring our scarves %26amp; gloves that day %26amp; were freezing at the mountain top. The weather was very cold after the rain %26amp; most parts were soon covered with fog. We decided to give the boat ride from Lake Konigssee a miss due to the weather %26amp; took the bus back to the Bahnhof %26amp; then Bus #840 back to Salzburg. As this was our last day at Salzburg, we walked around the old town %26amp; did the Sound of Music %26quot;self-tour%26quot; using one of TA%26#39;s destination experts%26#39; guide. We covered most of the attractions %26amp; headed back to the hotel slightly after sunset.





Day 6: We departed Salzburg early in the morning %26amp; reached Innsbruck just before noon. After check-in, we bought the 48 hour Innsbruck card %26amp; covered most of the attractions in half a day as they were very close to one another.





Day 7: Our first stop for the day was Nordpark. With the Innsbruck card, everything was a breeze as it was all inclusive. We took the funicular up to Station Hungerburg where we stopped for some photo-taking time. Then, we took the cable car to Seegrube where we stopped again before heading up to Hafelekar. This time, we were well-prepared with scarves %26amp; gloves. The view from Hafelekar was great. After almost 2 hours, we made our way down %26amp; took the free shuttle (with the Innsbruck card) to Swarovski Crystal World. We didn%26#39;t appreciate the Swarovski Crystal World as much as the other attractions though. We left the place after an hour but had to wait another hour for the free shuttle back to the Hauptbahnhof.





Day 8: We said goodbye to Austria %26amp; headed to Munich via train where we took a flight back to Amsterdam.




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What a lovely report. I%26#39;m so glad you enjoyed your trip to Austria. As your report covers a lot more than just Vienna could I suggest you copy it and post it in the general Austria Forum too?




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Hi Norman_Cope,



I had wanted to post it under the Austria Forum but somehow it gave me an error %26amp; prompted me to choose a specific forum to post in. I remembered being able to do it the last time. Can you help me?





Thanks.




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Looks like you were right and there is no general Austria forum to post to. It%26#39;s just an umbrella for all the regional/city forums.




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Which hotels did you stay in?





You did much as we did last visit to Salzburg - what a great little city that is!




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Hi caviargal,





Here are the hotels we%26#39;ve stayed in:





1) Vienna: Hotel Hadrigan - about 15 minutes walk from the metro but there were a lot of good food stalls around. The hotel is a little on the retro side - they still use the key (instead of keycard) %26amp; I find the lift interesting. The floors will creak when you walk around. However, I still enjoyed my stay there.





2) Salzburg: Best Western Hotel Stieglbrau - about 7-10 minutes away from Salzburg Hbf. It%26#39;s a nice hotel %26amp; the buffet breakfast was great.





3) Innsbruck: Ibis Innsbruck Hauphtbahnhof - located just at the train station itself! It%26#39;s very convenient for us to travel anywhere. However, one downside was the lack of free internet in the room (which the other 2 hotels provided).





And I agree that Salzburg is a great city. We had so much fun %26amp; there were just so many things to do. It%26#39;s a pity we ran out of time so we didn%26#39;t visit the Hellbrunn Palace %26amp; the famous trick fountains, Salzburg Fortress, Untersberg etc. I%26#39;m already planning my next trip back again!




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Wow! Thanks for taking the time to write. Enjoyed reading your report and glad you had a nice trip.





Paul




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Thanks for taking the time to narrate your experiences. I really enjoyed reading your trip report!




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thank you so much for all the details. we have 2 1/2 days in vienna in december (cold...). do you think it is enough? thanx for sharing!




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Hi nodan7,





It depends on what you like to do. If you%26#39;re into art, culture %26amp; history, then maybe 2 1/2 days might not be enough as the city has a lot to offer (e.g. cathedrals, museums, performances). Technically speaking, we only spent a day in Vienna so I%26#39;m not in a position to advise much. Perhaps the friendly TA destination experts can provide you with more information.





Maybe out of the 2 1/2 days here, you might wanna leave 1/2 day for the Stift Melk Abbey. I don%26#39;t think the Wachau Valley cruise is operating in Dec (as the website states it%26#39;ll end on Oct 26), hence, you%26#39;ll miss out on the boat trip. You can check at the operators%26#39; websites to see if there%26#39;s any changes.





Yes, Dec will be cold, so remember to bring along your scarf! Have a great time %26amp; hope you%26#39;ll enjoy it as much as my husband %26amp; I did!




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Thank you for your quick reply! If you think of anything else, please send me a post.



Thank you!

Airport to Laa

We traveled to Laa en der Thaya straight from the airport by train in the past. but now checking the OBB travel plan this route is given through the CAT to Mitte and then to Laa. Is this so? The route from airport to Laa is cancelled?




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You did? I am not quite sure how this worked - other than perhaps your having taken S7/S8 to Floridsdorf and the same train, under a different route number, going on to Laa an der Thaya.





In any case, there is no direct service from the airport, you have to change once in Vienna - at Rennweg or Wien-Mitte, for example. The CAT (City Airport Train) shows up on most suggested connections for timetable efficiency reasons, you could also take the S8 Schnellbahn service from the airport and change (CAT goes straight through to Wien-Mitte, only stop) en route. S2 is the Schnellbahn that goes to Laa an der Thaya and there is also a regional train (R2408) going there, which you can catch at Rennweg or Wien-Mitte as well.





Hope this helps :).




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Yes, the direct service to Laa/Thaya has been cancelled in December 2008. Now the trains terminate in Vienna and you have to transfer anywhere between Wien-Rennweg and Wien-Floridsdorf to the Laa-bound train. By the way, it is not necessary to take the CAT as the ordinary S-Bahn runs along the same track. I would depend it on when you are able to arrive the airport station. If the ordinary S-Bahn has just departed, then opt for the CAT in order to save precious time.




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Thanks for help.



It must have terminated this year though as I had a direct connection on January 18,2009. Ok not that difficult though for just one train change.




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I said December because ÖBB always changes its timetables in December. If you took one in January, then it seems to have been an %26quot;extraordinary%26quot; timetable alteration.

vienna to prague

hello,



we need ideas/ways to go from vienna to prague in december. i do not know how to find the train schedule and prices. also, as listed previously, i may be interested in a tour bus or private driver.



thank you




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oebb.at/pv/…





Trains from €29, but the timetables for dates after 12th December are not out yet so you can%26#39;t book for trains after that date yet. You can always buy a ticket on the day as well, but it costs a bit more. There is no need to reserve.





A more %26#39;user-friendly%26#39; train schedule is here www.idos.cz (English button bottom right) but you can%26#39;t book the tickets through this site.



If you want to go back the other way it costs €19 here https:/…




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thank you for your quick reply. i tried that site earlier but found it difficult to maneuver. i will try again.



thank you.




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Itinerary Planer of ÖBB:



http://fahrplan.oebb.at/bin/query.exe/e

2 days and a half in Vienna. Is that too much ??

We%26#39;ve just received an all paid trip for 2 and a half day in Vienna. It all sounds great,but do you thinks is a bit too much time to spend in Vienna ?Wife and I usually hang in more modern and cosmopolitan destinations,when happens to visit oldish and historic places we just enjoy food and people watching. An shopping if available. Any input ???




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Well the vast majority of people who know Vienna would say it%26#39;s far too short! Vienna was the original cosmopolitan city when the word was first invented and it can do modern as well as any other city. What exactly do you want to do in a city? Let us know and we%26#39;l tell you how to satisfy your needs in Vienna!




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I was going to say almost exactly the same as Norman before I read his input. What do you call modern and cosmopolitan? As for shopping, to be perfectly honest it would not come top of anyone%26#39;s list of destinations, but that is far outweighed by other considerations, unless you want to spend a day at the McArthur Glen outlet in Parndorf or Shopping City Sued (which happens to be Europe%26#39;s largest shopping centre... - not to my taste, though)




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If you do not really like old, rich on history cities, then 2.5 days are definitely enough. Vienna is not entirely old-style, in the meantime a lot of modern elements have been incorporated. Shopping is widely possible in Vienna in either shopping streets or shopping centers.

Vienna to Cesky Krumlov

I will be doing this trip on 17/11, and just to let you all know that there are shuttle buses that transport clients at a good rate, and about half the time!!!



I originally found out about this on TA.



Just google Cesky Krumlov shuttles - I found three. Saves a lot of time and hassle, are well priced, and they responded to my emails quickly.



They also do CK to Linz and Salzburg.



Alas they are a bit quieter in November when I go, so if anyone wishes to do this on 17/11, let me know. AM also doing CK to Salzburg on 19/11, hopefully : )




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Yes, this company is named LoboShuttle and is based in CK. We often recommend them here as public transportation to CK is rather bothersome if coming from Austria.

Danube River Cruises

In April - May 2008 my husband %26amp; I with another couple are looking to do a river cruise.. Budapest to Prague. I have been doing some research and now I am overwhelmed by the many cruise company options. Could anyone help with us making a choice? I have looked at Uniworld, Amadeus, Viking, Avalon, Globus, Tauck ect....





The 4 of us are mid 30%26#39;s to mid 40%26#39;s and are expierenced travlers. We have all cruised together before on larger cruise ships but never on a smaller river boat cruise and not sure where to start on picking a ship %26amp; or company to cruise with.





Please help with any information you may have to offer ... good or bad.





Thank you!




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Just one remark:



the Danube river does run through Vienna and Budapest....but not through Prague...




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Thank you for your reply. I am aware that we will have to take a flight to Prague at the end of the river cruise. Most of the cruise companies provide 3-4 day extensions. I was just trying to find out which cruise company to use.





Thanks again.




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Have you looked at the cruise category on Fodors and / or cruise critic- some good information there to assist you.





I have not taken any of these cruises but spend many days of the year on or near to the Danube in Austria.



I simply provide my observations- take them for what you wish.





Physically the boats have similar size lengths, number of decks,widths and height - they must fit under bridges etc. and also through many locks on the river. Thus similar sizes.



Most have between 150 and 200 passengers maximum and nice upper decks to take the sun and sightsee.



generally all the boats seem well maintained.



Some big differences in passenger ages are apparent.



I should note that the average age of the passengers is generally 55 and much more-- but some younger passengers too



Deilman boats may have more german passengers- Viking , Tauck a good mix from Australia , US and elsewhere.



Uniworld and Viking perhaps more from US.





Tauck boats seem to be more deluxe from the outside - also the Peter Deilmann boat Mozart.



Viking not far behind.



I am often in Dürnstein and Melk, stops for many boats on the danube and have occasional contact with some passengers.





Most all Tauck and Viking people seem contented.





generally little complaint about food quality and quanity. some complaints about optional excursion costs.





Often comments about the noise of the bow and stern thrusters - small propellers that assist in steering the boat through narrow passages or when docking.



Those with cabins near to bow or stern say it can beannoying at night when trying to sleep.





Few amenities on board thse smaller boats but with all the sightseeing etc. I do not think one would miss it.





It looks like fun to do these cruises - great country views along the Danube.



If I did not live here would probably try it.




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Thank you so much for all of the information. I will



check out fodors and cruise critic.





Always good to hear someone local would consider taking the trip if didn%26#39;t live in the area.





One last question for you.. None of us have been to this area of Europe before and if you were to pick to stay an extra 3 - 4 days in one specific location would you recommend Prague or Budapest?





Again .. Thank you.




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Definitely PRAGUE!!!!




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We have been on Peter Deilman (Rhone)and UNIWORLD (Duoro). You can%26#39;t go wrong with either line. As someone else wrote, our Deilman boat had about 50% Germans, the rest from the UK, Francxe and Americans. The official language on board and tours were in German and English, each group with their own bus and guide.





Dinner and lunch was assigned seating.





On UNIWORLD, English was the only official language; no assigned seats.





Food tours and service were slightly better on Deilman, but that could have been a reflection of where we were. The Duoro valley has fewer prominent sights than the Rhone, but you see more countryside. Unlike the Rhein, Rhone and Danube trips, the boat moves only during daylight hours.




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We did a Passeau, Germany to Budapest and back river cruise 5 years ago with Viking River Cruises and loved it. We were 50 and 59 and our friends 56 and 57 and we seemed to be around the general age. A few younger people but mostly our age and up. Excellent food and staff. Young but very knowledgeable about each area. All guides spoke English. Alot of Germans, Americans and then a mixture of French, Norwegian and we Canadians. We are going next week on the Rhine river cruise from Basel to Amsterdam and would have picked Viking again but they were all booked up for this time of year. We started back in August/September looking so I hope you can still get something for this May. They book up fast as they are very popular. I think each company has it%26#39;s own merits but as the native writer said, the boats are very similar in looks, amount of passengers and what they offer inside. Just remember that they don%26#39;t offer alot to do inside because usually you aren%26#39;t on them for long because you are touring. There is usually a lounge area, a library and an upper deck for sitting up on if the weather is nice! I am sure that no matter who you choose you will have a great time. We did and love it!




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My husband and I just returned from the Paris to Normandy cruise on Viking. It was excellent. The food was wonderful, tours were very organized. I could not believe how much we got to see in such a short period of time. The room was very comfortable (bathroom very small) but overall would certainly use Viking again.




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My husband and another couple are also planning a rivier cruise for next summer (2010) - have you taken your cruise? How did you decide which company to go with? Most important question is how was it and can you offer insight or suggestions?



Thank you so much!




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Did you book your cruise yet? We took a Danube cruise with Amadaeus last summer (2008)and loved it. i have nothing but the highest praise for this line.

viking river cruise

my cousins and i are planning a girl%26#39;s trip on the viking river cruise next march, mostly because it includes the cities we haven%26#39;t seen before. (budapest, vienna, etc) has anyone used this line before and what did you think about your trip ane the quality of excursions they provide? thanks for any suggestions!!!




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A cruise along the danube is doubtless an exciting and smooth way to explore the beauty of the landscape. As I haven%26#39;t done this trip yet, I cannot really have an opinion, but I am convinced that it would be a great experience. Be only advised that the river vessels aren%26#39;t comparable to the ones shipping in the Carribean, and that mainly %26quot;life-experienced%26quot; people do this trip (I suppose).




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I work in an office with a view on the danube, and we also provide harbour-services to a few ship-lines, but unfortunatly not Viking, so there is not much I can contribute here. The Viking ships look fairly ok from the outside so far, not the absolute newest ones, these are mostly French and Swiss ships, but very well maintained. The most beautifull one on the river, in my opinion, but I am afraid also one of the most expensive one, is the River Cloud, both the I and the II modell, very nice.





I also support Mickey´s %26quot;warning%26quot;: First, please keep in mind that the average age on board will be somewhere in the late fifties, and second, be advised that due to the size of the locks you have to pass through, the ships size is limited, and with the lines beeing under pressure of putting more and more cabins into a limited space, be prepared that the cabins might be new and well equipped, but still way smaller then a hotel room, and that a river boat can never provide the same amenities then a big cruise-liner, so pls. don´t expect a theatre or a casino or big sports opportunities ...



Additionally, I recently dealt with a complaint by a cruise passenger about the noise level. Both in Vienna and Budapest, the moorings are along very busy main roads of the towns (with Budapest actually beeing worse, Vienna is not that bad in my opinion) and I would consult your travel agents first as on if there is any special soundproof windows on board, if you are normally used to a very quiet sleep. Or have a look at your cruise itinerary, you might be on the river during the night anyway, then the only thing that could wake you up is operations in a lock, and thatis actually interesting enough so I would suggesting getting up and seeing it !





Greets, Fritz




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We live in South Carolina and are also interested in a river cruise, probably for the fall of 2009. We are interested in what you have found out and how your journey proceeds. We like the Viking cruises also, from their brochures, but they sound expensive. We cruise a lot in the Caribbean and think we would like a boat without the giltz. However, the issue of sound at night might be important. Thanks for any info you are able to share and we wish you Bon Voyage!




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recently returned from a viking cruise on the Danube and had a great time. The boats are informal with fantastic food and service and the excursions were good though you can usually do your own thing and get around most places easily if you don%26#39;t want to do the optional excursions. Watch out for discounts as the full price is high. The moorings were quiet though sailing at night sometimes noisy when passing through locks or mooring up. There were a few families with teenagers but most people were retired and American with services to suit them. The crew were fantastic but our only problem was with the transfer. We flew into Munich and were met by a limo but they were waiting for other passengers and we were told we would have to wait for nearly 3 hours for our transfer to Nuremberg. So book your own transfers!






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tell me more. I am planning Budepest to Amsterdam next summer and am looking at uniworld. How much comp wine did you get at dinner?




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Let me take lm4tvl%26#39;s question: We have been on 2 river cruises (plus several Cruise West small ship cruises), with two cruise lines: The Rhone cruise with Peter Dailmann, and the Duoro River (Portugal) Cruise with Uniworld. Both were very satisfactory. more luxurious than Cruise West and better service. That there can%26#39;t be any comparisn with ocean-going cruise ships has already been commented on.





The Peter Deilmann was more international, with mostly Brits, Germans, Americans,Canadians and couple of Frenchmen thrown in. Unlike the Uniworld trip, the ship%26#39;s official languages were English and German. On the Deilmann we had assigned dining room seats (by language), on Uniworld we could switch. The food on the Peter Deilmann cruise was bit more European. But, overall, UNIWORLD was a good experience and well worth the money.





Now, unless you are booked already and it doesn%26#39;t make any difference where you start your cruise, I would start in Amsterdam. Although you will be travelling the Rhein upstream, you will be a shorter time on the Rhein than on the Danube. On the stretch between Rhein and Danube (the Main river and the Rhein-Main Danube Canal) the direction of the water is not very important, because these are frequently dammed and slow moving waterways. But going up- stream on tbe Danube is much slower than downstream (from Vienna to Budapest).





We haven%26#39;t taken the Danube cruise, but driven from Frankfurt to Budapest.




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You may also wish to do a search for your Viking Ship on cruisecritic.com, where you can look at passenger reviews for specific ships and itineraries.




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Just returned from a Danube river cruise on Viking, Nuremburg to Budapest (Sept 09). Beware of low water level in the river. We lost two of seven days of cruising due to the low water and had to be bussed to our ports. The overall cruise was very nice, food and service excellent. The average age of the passengers would be around 60, with ages ranging from 30’s to 80’s. Passengers were American, Canadian, British and Australian. We were on the Viking Europe which has several sister ships and is very nice, remember this is a river cruise not an ocean cruise (entertainment NA). Cabin size is comparable to a ocean cruise ship. Do not take the cheap rooms unless you like upper and lower bunks. Our cabin was on the mid deck and was 154 sq ft with nice window and queen size bed. The issue of missing two days of cruising was brought to the attention of the ships management at a meeting with all passengers in attendance and the response was to email the Viking corporate office with our complaints. Needless to say this was not the right thing to say and it created some heated discussion. Eventually Viking paid for all passengers to attend a concert in Vienna, the price normally would have been 57 Euros per person. Considering the cost of the cruise, Viking got off cheap. I expect complaints will be filed. During this whole process the Captain never spoke to the passengers and nobody ever said they were sorry. We will do other river cruises; however, were quite disappointed with Vikings response to the problem and will not use their cruise line again.




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I have not been on a Viking cruise yet but do have one planned for November 2010. I appreciate your review but I think that from what you explained, Viking handled the low river problem to the best of their ability. Granted the captain probably should have explained the situation to you but no one can control the rivers or the weather. Even on large cruise ships sometimes the schedules have to be changed due to wind or storms. Having cruised on several Windjammer cruises(now out of business) you learned to go with the flow so to speak. everything was subject to change down to the last minute and I suspect the situation is similar on the river cruises.

Hotel Vicky

What is happening with this hotel any information ? It has been run by a travel company ( downhill ) in the last numerous years, ruining it%26#39;s previous reputation when run and owned by the Unger family.





It was still owned by the Unger family when I last visited 2 years ago.I have to agree with previous posts it was awful when run by the travel company.





I%26#39;m curious to know who is runing it now,if anyone.



Thanks




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This is hard-hitting and unpleasant reading.But you asked.Hotel Vicky is leased by TUI from the owners and marketed under the Crystal and Thomson brands.





Who on earth awarded it a Gold Medal?It is staffed and managed by very young Brits of dubious origins.Some look like ex-druggies/jailbirds. The standards are very poor compared to Austrian.The management are too close to the staff.I stayed there for a week and wouldn%26#39;t return if it was free.The worst hotel I have stayed in for 30 years.The people who like it are Brits who like low prices/ English spoken everywhere/no foreign food/chatty false bonhomie from staff.Shame really, it is in a nice location. No excuse for grubby public areas,shoddy rooms,humming public toilets (mens anyway).Believe me Hotel Vicky is not representative of Austria (Tirol).If you want to stay in Niederau select Hotel Sonnschein. Harfenwirt not good.My brother and his 3 sons stayed at Vicky and loved it for a week%26#39;s skiing last year! Just shows-taste is a personal thing.A hell-hole IMO.Crystal is becoming a suspect brand.I have had a few diappointments with them in recent years and have switched for 2009 to Inghams for a week in Ellmau in June.




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Bump. There must be other more current opinions on Hotel Vicky.Am I on my own being strongly negative?




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sorry maybe I didn%26#39;t explain properly....I agree run by the travel company it was dreadful,and is not worth the money- food and service horrible, but I am curious to know why it isn%26#39;t in any of the brochures this year.What has happened to it ? I hope it has been taken back over by the owners.



Thanks for your reply so far.




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crystal are offering it in their family brochure as one of their club hotels (Or were)





However it was supposed to have the whizz kids clubs there and our travel documentation did say the whizz kids club was no longer offered in the area so it may well be crystal have pulled out?





We have just returned and sure enough Crystal did not have any pick ups from the hotel on our coach.





Sorry I have not really answered your question.




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Thank you sanaq for the update.The 2 most recent TA reviews of Hotel Vicky were highly complimentary (not the usual thread of appalling,grubby,horrible,disgraceful) and both were going back there for 2009 skiing.





So would MARKEY65 and pdoggpalmer like to let us know their recent 2009 experiences of Hotel Vicky? A full review is not necessary,just a post on Tirol Forum would be fine especially if the hotel is now under new management as suggested.




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Hi



really keen to find out what the most recent Vicky hotel customers thought of their stay.



we stayed there in 2002 as our first ever ski holiday and it was fantastic.



would hate to think it isn%26#39;t anymore!



want to go back to Austria in 2010 and now dubious





Cath




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Hotel Vicky is no more. I%26#39;m just back from a week in Niederau and it has been turned into private apartments.




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thats a shame it , I have spent many happy times in this hotel ( quite a number of years ago when it was family run ) .



Are the apartments for holiday rental do you know ?.



Thanks for the information...




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Thanks merrybridge.I won%26#39;t mourn its passing.




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Hi I live in Niederau at Pension Margit, Hotel Vicky has very confusing reports, the reason is it went from being one of the best hotels in Austria when it was run by Michael and Lesley Unger, to a %26quot;you get what you pay for%26quot; establishment when it was leased by Thomsons.



Hotel Vicky is now Appartments Vicky. The building and some of the appartments have been retained by Michael and Lesley and the rest sold to private buyers. The appartments are to rent as holiday homes, they can be rented through the feriendorf niederau. They will be up and running this coming winter.

Finally Married in Zell am see

Hi Ladies,





Long time no chat. Well I got married a month ago and it is truly the best thing you will ever decide to do. We got married through the hotel Heitzmann in Zell am see... they were amazing with every little details.. even the ones I forgot - they were better than my bridesmaid when it came to organising everything. I am sure you all know at this stage that the paper work is a bit tricky - hell no one told me until 3 wks before the wedding about the Premaritial agreement - so you can only begin to imagine how stressed I got over that.. and trying to ensure that it got over to the bishop in salzburg in time. You will find this website great if you are at all thinking about doing this type of wedding. www.wedding-austria.com my wedding is the one on the 21st March and yes it was freezing but worth it. The total crowd that we went with was 33 so the hotel catered perfectly when it came to food and beverages. I woud highly recommend this hotel because of their hospitality. My father suffers with Parkinson%26#39;s disease for the last 5 yrs %26amp; so his tremours r very obvious.. but Anita the hotel owners wife was absoultley terrific with him - she treated him as if he were her own father which took hugh pressure off me.





Anyways if you have any questions I would be glad to help as best that I can.... best of luck to you all




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Hi Niamho,





Congratulations! So glad it all went well for you. We%26#39;re planning our wedding in Zell am See next March. We%26#39;ve been there twice now and really love it, so hopefully all will go according to plan. Its just great to hear of others like you who have been through it all and enjoyed it so much.





Best of luck with married life.



CG




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Hi, Congratulations!!


I am also getting married in Zell Am See in January 2006, this is to be organised by Crystal Holidays. You mentioned that the paperwork was tricky. Is this pre-marital agreement compulsory?? I am starting to get a little worried that I may forget something.




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Congrats Niamho - sounds like you had a fab time. Best of luck to you and your hubby. Getting nervous now reading your post - only 9 weeks left til I am heading over there!




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sammy please do not book with an agent - they charge you for things you don%26#39;t even need - book direct with the hotel - they do things so much better - in fatc the agents have never even visited zell am see so how can they possible answer any questions which you may have!!!!




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niamho







I know its a little while ago but I am about to get married at the Heitzmann in 2 months time.





Did you use the hairdresser/make up lady recommended by the hotel, as cant decide whether to pay out or do it myself. any advice welcome





Thanks





Helen




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Hi,





I would love if you could email me with details of your wedding. I would love to get married there and need all the help I can get cuz i don%26#39;t know where to start!!





Thanks a million




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libby





happy to help with whatever i can. I know for me it was really worrying but I had the BEST wedding ever and people are still talking about it and when I look at the photos in the mountains I would do it all over again.





I got married at the Heitzmann o n the 25.3.08 (photos under Mcloughlin) on their website.





The heitzmann as others say take on board everything and it is the most stressless experience. The only pain if you can call it that is having to get your legal docs form London, but once you have this and send it to Rudi and anita at the Heitzmann thats all you have to worry about. we took a party of 30 over and we went sledging the day after which was really memorable and it snowed before and after the ceremony.





If I can help just let me know





Helen




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Hello





I would like to get married in Zel am see but do not have a clue where to start??!! LOL.





Any help you can give me would be much appreciated.





Help all is well with you both .





kind regards





Dianne Holder





dianneholder@yahoo.co.uk




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Hi







When I started I used the numerous forums on Austrian weddings on trip advisor.There is one forum that had over 50 Pages on!!! This gave me the name of the Hotel Heitzmann at Zell am See. So many people had postive blogs about it that I then emailed the hotel for details. Also in Zell am See is the RomantikHotel.These seem to be the two main hotels that organise weddings. If you search either on the internet they have wedding pages(but remember to put Zell am see in your search as there are two Romantik Hotels in Austria)





The hotelliers are SO helpful. My experience is that the Heitzmann family if you say you are interested in dates will provisionally book the Castle Rosenberg (which is the town hall where the marriage takes place) on various dates that are free. You are NOT obliged then to take it but they do it in case the dates go, so you can always email back and say you have changed your mind. The dates are held for 14 days.





After that any queries you have the family emails back so quickly, but the general jist is that they will send you possible evening reception options etc.



They will then do everything and they sort out photographer, horse and carriage/transport, cake, food....Everything so much so all you need is your clothes and the relevant legal docs which the hotel will tell you about.





Hope that helps...Happy planning





helen




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Hi,





Can any one tell me which major travel agents do weddings in austria? I%26#39;m looking to get married in Winter 2010 and was wondering when the brochures came out?





Thanks





Linzi

Salzburg: rent a bicyle in October

Hi everybody,



can anyone advise me where (in Salzburg) it is possible to rent a bike in October?



Today I%26#39;ve visited some spots (including old city and Top Bike at Hbf) - they all are closed.



At Hbf tourist info office they phoned couple of rental offices and conclusion was %26quot;bike season seem to be closed%26quot;. It was more than disappointment to be honest, I am really upset with this fact.



There are still a lot of people riding a bicycle in the city and may be anyone knows where it is possible to rent it now?



Thanks.




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Last month there was a bike rental beside Makartsteg bridge, in Hanuschplatz, by the river. YOu could try there.




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LizR, thank you. I%26#39;ve already checked this area yesterday. The one you pointed is the second spot of Top Bike which is also closed unfortunately.



I will check this area tomorrow, my last try before leaving Salzburg.




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Today I found one spot where bike rental seem to work - Mozart platz, right behind the Mozart monument.



Their web-site: http://www.rentabike24.com.



I was there pretty late (around 19:00) and there was nobody near the bikes (may be also because of rain), but I think they work.

South Station demolition

I am arriving in Vienna via Bratislava on 28 November and am now concerned as to whether the train from Bratislava will come into the South Station. Has anyone any information? I was planning to take the train back to Bratislava on 30 November again assuming from the South Station. Any info appreciated as intended to locate on south side of city.




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No need to worry - Südbahnhof (South Station) will be shut down from December 12, so the Bratislava trains will operate as usual until then.




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Heyerette/Mikey - is there any information on-line about what is actually going to happen after 12th December? They must have some kind of plan in place for all the trains going to/from Prague, Bratislava, etc.



Thanks for any info.




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As far as I know, they will keep a section of the station, towards Schweizergarten park, for Ostbahn-trains (the Bratislava route belongs to that) - a provisionary East Station, if you will.





The Schnellbahn will continue to run, with a provisionary entrance/exit to Schweizergarten and it seems Ostbahn train passengers will get something similar ; the Ostbahn tracks will just be re-positioned in some way (shortened or something). Not sure whether this goes for trains coming in from Prague or further away though and apparently, international long-distance Ostbahn trains, e.g. to/from Budapest, will terminate in Meidling.





I wish ÖBB would finally provide the new time schedule, instead of only talking about it and causing uproar with planned shortenings on regional train services.




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Trains from the South will terminate at Wien-Meidling Station (which has been enhanced for that purpose) and local/regional trains from the East/Northeast will be guided to a temporary station as already described by Heyerette. International (long distance) traffic from the Czech Republic and Poland (not Bratislava!) will be going through Vienna using the S-Bahn corridor and terminate/stop at Wien-Meidling Station. S-Bahn traffic, running between Wien-Meidling and Wien-Floridsdorf, is not affected as it bypasses the %26quot;scene%26quot;.





http://www.hauptbahnhof-wien.at/

Innsbruck area for non-skiers in December

We are travelling (driving) from Lake Konstanz area to Innsbruck on the 18th Dec for a 2 night stay in the Innsbruck area. We don%26#39;t ski. Looking for a nice village/accommodation in the area - 25km radius. We have almost 3 full days. Any suggestions as to nice area/scenic views etc would be appreciated.




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You could contemplate the following villages:





Seefeld (http://www.seefeld.com/)



Stubai Valley (stubai.at/xxl/…index.html)



Hall in Tirol (http://www.regionhall.at/)




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You have many choices , especially having an auto and perhaps you may wish to investigate these towns all within your mentioned radius.





Hall - just a few minutes east of Innsbruck- a nice town center of old buildings - good accomodation choices but less scenic than some others as it is in the flat valley but still views of the mountains



city mint





www.regionhall.at





Igls- a small village just south of Innsbruck up on a nice plateau.





Nice hotels - lik ethe Sport Hotel- Schloss- this town is perhpas 10 minutes drive - near to the Patscherkofel mountain - bob sled run .





Mutters- perhaps 10 kilometers or 10-15 minutes ride south of Innsbruck



again a nice quiet village.



Both of the above convenient to the Brennerautobahn if you desire a trip into Italy.





Seefeld





a very nice ski village - with center a pedestrian zone- 15 minutes drive north of Innsbruck- a nice village center with - skiing , cross country sking - ice skating , nice cafes, casino-



beautiful mountain views and atmosphere including a nice Advent Market.



Easy and quick drive to Mittenwald and Garmisch nearby in Germany.



Excelent choice of accomodations from the exclusive to the cheap.





This would be my first choice







www.seefeld.at




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Thank you! I%26#39;ve looked at Seefeld and Hall earlier but Stubai Valley looks interesting. Do you know if it will be OK to drive (4x4) in the area?




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Thanks a lot - I now have quite a few villages/towns to look at and will let you know what we%26#39;ve decided on. It%26#39;s our first visit to this area and quite difficult to decide where to stay and what to see.




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You have many opportunities with realatively short distnces to travel and having the auto makes things much easier to access opposed to public transport.



Example Innsbruck - Mittenwald perhaps just more than 30- 40 minutes and a nice ride in the mountains on good roads.





You should have not much worry about poor driving conditions.



Yes, snow is possible but these areas are well prepared for it and 4 wheel drive while good to have is not essential. I would only avoid driving during the initial time of the snow beginning to allow the snow guys to do their magic.





Often the valley areas can have a little rain while higher altitudes have snow- best to watch for this



Be certain to have a Vignette - highway tax certificate - if you get the auto in Austraia it probably has one already . If coming from elsewhere , these easily purchased near to the border for 7,70 euro for10 days.





Snow tires are mandatory for driving in snow or ice.




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You won%26#39;t need a four-wheel drive vehicle to drive through the Stubai Valley. The main roads are always kept (almost) snow-free and useable for %26quot;normal%26quot; cars with (at least) winter tires.

Ischgl for New Year's 2010

guys,





I am desperate! I have been trying to find a nice B%26amp;B (gasthof) to spend this New Years with my friends (10 persons in total) and everybody seems to be fully booked.





it doesn%26#39;t necessarily have to be in Ischgl, Mathon or Ebene or any other place within a 20km area would be perfect.





please help me!!!





thank you.




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Ischgl is a pretty popular place. The less expensive accommodations are the first to be sold out. The fact that you arrive with nine other folks seems to make it harder. I would contact the tourism board for assistance.





Tourismusverband Paznaun - Ischgl



Dorfstraße 43



6561 Ischgl



Austria





Tel. +43 (0)50990 100



Fax: +43 (0)50990 199



E-Mail info@ischgl.com



Internet www.ischgl.com




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if your are trying to use the website such as Ischgl.com the bookings system set by the hotels will preclude any requests that don%26#39;t fulfill their criteria e.g. over xmas/new year requesting an extended stay (7-10 nights). My experience of this area is that accommodation in Ischgl all the way back to Landeck is scarce/non existent that time of year. I stay in Ischgl a number of times every season(december, february, easter) but gave up trying over the xmas period. I now go the week before Xmas where Hoteliers are willing to take bookings of 3 or 4 nights (sometimes less). One year a friend of mine was trying to find shorter term accommodation in Ischgl over new year at last minute and was unsuccessful all the way back to Innsbruck




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you know what I did? I wrote 450 emails to all the B7Bs I could find in the Ischgl/Galtur/Kappl area. All I got was around 3 positive answers, the rest of them were fully booked. So I booked this very nice B%26amp;B in Kappl, hope everything will be alright.



I%26#39;ll let you know when I come back!




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si eu caut tot acolo ...am gasit la hotel new post cu half board ...la 100 euro pe seara...suna bine acum nu stiu cat este de adevarat...ma uit si iti zic sigur daca inca te mai intereseaza...succes...si asteptam vesti despre cm a fost...happy new year in advance...ehehhe

Euronight Train Italy to Vienna: brief report.

I just returned from a Journey on Euronight train Rome Termini to Vienna South Station in a sleeper 3 beds cabin, at around 70 € each way - just for one bed, not the entire cabin, which has 3 beds.





To obtain such a good price - full price is 129 € one way - you need to check the dates for the special price offers. It is very easily done searching the site of the austrian railways:





https://ticket.oebb.at/bin/frame_ticket.pl…





completing the form with all the data, at the end of the process you get a list of available tickets, some marked with a four-leaf clover, very discounted tickets.





DO NOT TRY to do a search for offers on the Italian railways site - trenitalia.com . You won%26#39;t get details and the site will freeze if the system can%26#39;t find the offers you are looking for!





I didn%26#39;t find much information about this kind of train travel on the internet, so here are some more details: the bunk beds are just around 175 cm long, so tall people - like me - may have a hard time; the linen are spot clean; very cramped cabin: I was with my family and I can%26#39;t imagine sharing so little space with complete unknown people... even finding the room to store 3 pieces of medium-small luggage isn%26#39;t easy.





There%26#39;s a small washbasin with a mirror in front of the bunk beds - water not drinkable.No wardrobe, just three hooks on the wall.





A small towel, a piece of soap and a bottle of water are complimentary, as is the breakfast: you can choose four items from a list, with the usual coffee, tea, bread butter and jam. They bring it in your cabin at the time you wish and eat it there.





Bathrooms are shared, two in each passenger car. They are much more confortable than the ones I am used to in italian trains, with a real toilet with an actual flushing sistem, and there%26#39;s heating system too.





There%26#39;s even a shower - in a separate room; cramped space but it does its job. I found it very handy in the return trip after a long day spent walking around.




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Sorry the link to the Austrian Railways is:





https://ticket.oebb.at/bin/frame_ticket.pl…




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Am I right that you booked (online) with ÖBB although your journey commenced in Italy? Did you have problems with the Italian train attendant regarding the validity verification of the %26quot;internet%26quot; ticket?




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No, I booked online from trenitalia.com, since I am italian, and got the tickets - both - from self service machine at the station prior to departure in Italy.





The sense of my message is: search for special price offers on Austrian Railway site even if you are italian or wanting to book from Italy during a vacation, because trenitalia.com is useless in showing the prices; but after finding the %26quot;smart price%26quot; ticket go to trenitalia.com - again, if you are in Italy - to complete the booking.